[CS:S ALL/CS:GO ZM] Protest a punishment: mSyy

mSyy

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Ban/Gag reason multihack

Desired outcome Lift my punishment

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Just got banned for "Multihack"? Please explain this?
 

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If I told you, I'd have to kill you.
Hello, ive been observing you throught the week and come to the conclusion that you are using some kind of bhop script.

You have been flagged way to many times.


 

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mSyy

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I've been playing Counter Strike Source since 2004, which is 18 years! I have more bopping experience than anyone else on this server. And of course i don't hit every jump as you've probably already witnessed if you have been spectating me long enough. But experience plays a big part in bhopping, and i have plenty of that.
The whole point of bhopping is to gain speed, and if you're not achieving that then you're not doing it properly.

Man this is the second time I'm falsely getting banned for bhopping. First by Bearjew and now by Sour. I'm getting sick of this.
Do you really need me to take a video footage of me bhopping with keyboard and mouse? because im ready for that, I have nothing to hide.

Unban me and I will forgive you Sour.
 

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If I told you, I'd have to kill you.
You can barley jump on boxes sometimes, dont think you out "experience" me and others.

If you look closely at my demo when you jump down to the cotainer, 3 jumps then 1 jump which is not normal.

You are also using Hyperscroll :p and not even the best bhoppers out there gets flagged this many times.
 

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If you look closely at my demo when you jump down to the cotainer, 3 jumps then 1 jump which is not normal.
Of course its not normal. 90% of my jumps are fails. The footage you got was the 10%. You should already know this since you were watching me.
You can barley jump on boxes sometimes, dont think you out "experience" me and others.
I was reffering to Bhopping.
You are also using Hyperscroll :p and not even the best bhoppers out there gets flagged this many times.
Yeah that's what Bearjew accused me of. Then I had another admin remove my ban.
 
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If I told you, I'd have to kill you.
Of course its not normal. 90% of my jumps are fails. The footage you got was the 10%. You should already know this since you were watching me.

I was reffering to Bhopping.

Yeah that's what Bearjew accused me of. Then I had another admin remove my ban.
Like ive said i have been watching you throught the week, a normal mousewheel scroll does 3 jumps, in my demo you have 3 jumps 1 jump 1 jump on multiple occasions. (1 jump is script btw) then back to 3 jumps, are you toggling the hacks?

The accuse was correct btw, as i saw you hyperscroll with numbers up to 30 so dont try to fool me :)
 

mSyy

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a normal mousewheel scroll does 3 jumps, in my demo you have 3 jumps 1 jump 1 jump on mulitple occasions.
What do you mean 3 jumps??? My mouse makes a click like feel when i scroll down/up. When you got a 1 jump that simply means there was only 1 "click" which registered 1 jump....
are you toggeling the hacks?
You're definately trolling at this point. You think i got the time to toggle good bhops? I bhop 95% of the time when I'm on this server
The accuse was correct btw, as i saw you hyperscroll with numbers up to 30
Ok if the numbers where up to 30 then tell me the lowest values then we'll know if it was hyperscroll or not...

When another admin comes on here and allows me to show my bhops with irl footage then we'll see who the liar is :)
 
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The accuse was correct btw, as i saw you hyperscroll with numbers up to 30 so dont try to fool me :)
If i use my whole arm to scroll that number can go up to 1000 ;)
 
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If I told you, I'd have to kill you.
What do you mean 3 jumps??? My mouse makes a click like feel when i scroll down/up. When you got a 1 jump that simply means there was only 1 "click" which registered 1 jump....

You're definately trolling at this point. You think i got the time to toggle good bhops? I bhop 95% of the time when I'm on this server

Ok if the numbers where up to 30 then tell me the lowest values then we'll know if it was hyperscroll or not...

When another admin comes on here and allows me to show my bhops with irl footage then we'll see who the liar is :)
So with 3 jumps i mean a normal mousewheel does 3 fast jumps which we can see with our plugins, 1 jump is either script or spacebar.

Your numbers were all above 20 which is hyperscroll, if you look closely here you can also see your mousewheel is spinning freely : https://streamable.com/9jb1to

And you are lying about that, so it's not a good start for you mate!
 

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so you mean unlocking the mousewheel? that is hyperscroll my friend.
What do you mean unlock the mousewheel? like i said before, i could use my whole arm and it would register 1000 jumps.

I also would like to know if the hyperscroll applied to my bhops? please explain? And please also show some footage of my using hypercroll with my bhops!
 
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If I told you, I'd have to kill you.
What do you mean unlock the mousewheel? like i said before, i could use my whole arm and it would register 1000 jumps.

I also would like to know if the hyperscroll applied to my bhops? please explain? And please also show some footage of my using hypercroll with my bhops!
Unlocking the mousewheel = making the mousehwheel spinn freely registering 1000 jumps = hyperscroll.

I just showed you hyperscroll? its blatant hyperscroll in the video?

But back to the script evidence, like i said none gets flagged that many times and gain that speed, you can not have 3 jumps then 1 jumps twice in a row.

also here :)
 

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mSyy

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Unlocking the mousewheel = making the mousehwheel spinn freely registering 1000 jumps = hyperscroll.

I just showed you hyperscroll? its blatant hyperscroll in the video?
That doesn't count as hyperscroll. To use hyperscroll would mean that your "script" would add multiple jumps where normally it should count as only 1 spacebar hit. My 1 scrollwheel jump registers 1 spacebar jump. And if i scroll 10 times, that would register 10 spacebar jumps.

What is shown in the video is me using my scrollwheel jump aggressively which i dont normally do when im bhopping, and which you have already seen when i bhop. There is no evidence of me hyperscrolling while bhopping. Which doesn't help your hyperscroll evidence. The evidence is in the pudding.

But back to the script evidence, like i said none gets flagged that many times and gain that speed, you can not have 3 jumps then 1 jumps twice in a row.
What you saw was a 1 in 10 occurrence which is a rarity. You can't ban someone just because they nailed it perfectly.

also i looked at the .txt file and can see inconsistencies with the "hyperscroll". There are values which drop to 2 jumps which cannot be considered hyperscroll.
 
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You're forcing the dots to connect but there are still holes in your "evidence"

Everything i shown can be achieved without scripts and can be proven correctly with evidence.
 
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If I told you, I'd have to kill you.
That doesn't count as hyperscroll. To use hyperscroll would mean that your "script" would add multiple jumps where normally it should count as only 1 spacebar hit. My 1 scrollwheel jump registers 1 spacebar jump. And if i scroll 10 times, that would register 10 spacebar jumps.

What is shown in the video is me using my scrollwheel jump aggressively which i dont normally do when im bhopping, and which you have already seen when i bhop. There is no evidence of me hyperscrolling while bhopping. Which doesn't help your hyperscroll evidence. The evidence is in the pudding.


What you saw was a 1 in 10 occurrence which is a rarity. You can't ban someone just because they nailed it perfectly.

also i looked at the .txt file and can see inconsistencies with the "hyperscroll". There are values which drop to 2 jumps which cannot be considered hyperscroll.
Ill say it again, we have our plugins, a normal mousewheel jumper gets 3 JUMPS it does not count the jumps or how much it registers. and then we have a second plugin which registers jumps etc.

Well we dont need your opinion on how we run our investigations mr msyy, clearly its hyperscroll and if you dont like it, well to bad!

No its not a rarity, since i told you before and im repeating myself here ive specced you the whole week.

The bans stays unless SPA has something to say about it.

And im off to bed Gn mSyy!
 

mSyy

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No its not a rarity, since i told you before and im repeating myself here ive specced you the whole week.
If you've been spectating me the whole week then show us a 1 hour footage of me doing perfect jumps to at least justify the multihack you accuse me of. Lets see all the perfect jumps like you claim me of scripting. I'm telling you that it was a rarity and your saying its not. Go and show as an hour long footage since you been watching me for a weeek.
 
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Ill say it again, we have our plugins, a normal mousewheel jumper gets 3 JUMPS it does not count the jumps or how much it registers.
and let me quote myself again "My mouse makes a click like feel when i scroll down/up. When you got a 1 jump that simply means there was only 1 "click" which registered 1 jump...."

Well we dont need your opinion on how we run our investigations mr msyy, clearly its hyperscroll and if you dont like it, well to bad!
Like i said. That doesn't count as hypersrcroll. That's simply me scrolling aggressively when there's someone standing on top of me.
Looking at the txt file, there is no consistency in the "hyperscroll" you accuse me of using. The numbers are vastly different from each other. Anyone can get 20+ jumps if you abuse your scrollwheel enough?...
 
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If you think im using a legitimate hyperscroll or bhop hack with all the evidence you claim to have then your an amateur admin. You're clearly mad at me for some other unknown reason.

You were waiting behind your computer for me to get a legitimately good bhop then banning me 20 seconds after that. Then claim you have been watching me for a week? Show us what you saw the entirety of the week? I've been playing 24.2 hours in the last 2 weeks so you must have a tone of footage huh?
 
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you asked me to verify the logs. here is what I'm pulling:

130:L 06/19/2021 - 19:31:21: Perf: 80.8 || Avg: 18.5 / 336.8 || Qwuameh<9592><[U:1:10527293]><> || Map: zm_8chambers_v4 || Last: 17 20 20 18 37 22 19 17 19 20 18 19 14 1 22 20 21 19 17 19 19 17 20 18 17 19 21 18 19 20 hacks
161:L 07/08/2021 - 06:05:44: Perf: 81.8 || Avg: 1.8 / 28.5 || Qwuameh<5997><[U:1:10527293]><> || Map: zm_little_italy_v3 || Last: 2 2 1 2 2 2 2 2 1 2 1 2 2 2 2 1 2 2 2 2 2 2 2 2 2 2 2 2 2 2 hacks
300:L 10/20/2021 - 20:11:34: Perf: 80.4 || Avg: 5.0 / 372.8 || mSyy<7520><[U:1:10527293]><> || Map: zm_temple_v2 || Last: 5 7 6 7 5 4 3 5 5 6 6 5 5 4 6 4 5 5 4 6 4 5 5 6 5 5 5 4 6 4 hacks
320:L 10/28/2021 - 09:41:52: Perf: 80.6 || Avg: 4.8 / 304.5 || mSyy<21135><[U:1:10527293]><> || Map: zm_lila_panic_revisited_b4 || Last: 5 4 1 9 4 5 4 4 4 4 4 5 5 5 4 6 6 3 7 3 4 4 6 5 5 4 5 5 5 6 hacks
436:L 12/25/2021 - 03:25:30: Perf: 80.0 || Avg: 3.5 / 304.8 || mSyy<15066><[U:1:10527293]><> || Map: zm_office_house_v2 || Last: 3 4 2 5 3 6 5 2 4 3 3 3 3 4 4 3 2 3 4 5 8 5 4 3 3 4 3 3 3 4 hacks
530:L 02/08/2022 - 04:00:34: Perf: 81.6 || Avg: 4.5 / 335.1 || mSyy<18664><[U:1:10527293]><> || Map: zm_eh_prison_tower_edited4 || Last: 6 4 4 5 5 5 5 3 6 5 6 5 5 4 5 5 4 5 4 5 6 4 6 5 4 6 3 4 5 2 hacks
776:L 05/26/2022 - 02:17:54: Perf: 80.1 || Avg: 4.4 / 336.6 || mSyy<9885><[U:1:10527293]><> || Map: zm_corps_v9_edited || Last: 2 5 5 7 3 5 4 5 4 5 5 7 5 7 3 4 5 4 4 5 4 4 4 5 6 4 5 5 5 5 hacks
779:L 05/26/2022 - 18:51:51: Perf: 80.1 || Avg: 5.1 / 267.5 || mSyy<11372><[U:1:10527293]><> || Map: zm_clouds_beta2 || Last: 4 4 4 6 4 5 4 5 5 4 6 4 6 4 6 5 7 5 4 6 5 6 2 6 6 5 5 6 5 6 hacks
787:L 05/31/2022 - 02:05:33: Perf: 80.2 || Avg: 4.1 / 314.1 || mSyy<1822><[U:1:10527293]><> || Map: zm_lila_epic_v2_1b || Last: 6 5 4 5 4 2 3 6 4 5 4 4 5 4 4 4 3 4 4 4 4 4 3 4 3 4 3 4 4 2 hacks
800:L 06/07/2022 - 01:38:44: Perf: 80.7 || Avg: 5.1 / 346.0 || mSyy<10232><[U:1:10527293]><> || Map: zm_eh_pavlov_v4 || Last: 2 5 4 6 3 5 3 6 6 4 5 6 5 4 4 7 7 4 5 4 6 5 7 4 6 5 5 5 4 4 hacks
848:L 06/21/2022 - 12:38:05: Perf: 81.5 || Avg: 4.6 / 595.8 || mSyy<7919><[U:1:10527293]><> || Map: zm_eh_4way_fix1 || Last: 4 6 4 4 5 5 4 3 6 5 3 4 7 4 5 5 5 5 2 1 2 2 16 3 3 4 5 3 3 2 hacks
852:L 06/22/2022 - 13:15:09: Perf: 80.6 || Avg: 4.8 / 341.8 || mSyy<10012><[U:1:10527293]><> || Map: zm_rush_final_4 || Last: 4 4 5 4 5 3 5 5 5 5 5 4 6 7 4 5 5 6 4 5 3 5 6 5 5 6 4 5 4 4 hacks
Perf is the number you want to look at, it's the % of times your jump is PERFECT. which means you jumped at the right slot (a slot is of the length of 15ms) you were supposed to jump at.

The fact that you don't hit 85%+ can mean a few things:
1) you are not using a cheat
2) if you're using a cheat, you're using something smart that makes you bhop not perfectly but considerably better than the average pro bhopper
3) you are using scripts (like ingame or through a mouse macro) that can time jumps quite well.
For example if you know your average "in flight" time is 0.5 seconds, you can time a macro so that it sends a series of jump commands between 0.48 seconds and 0.52 seconds and while not always perfect (~80%) it's good enough to beat a human bhop.
4) you're the most lucky player on our servers and your beyond human abilities allow you to hit perfect jumps 80% of the times (pro bhoppers rarely reach 65%)

just my 2 cents
 
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