Denied# Abuse Report: Dhoudz

[Woozu]

Admin's Name Dhoudz

Time and date when they banned me at this point of time: 2026-06-07 16:44:29

Server css zm

Description
The admin falsely banned me for the reason "hyperscroll/macro" while i was playing on the server. Gameplay-wise I was a zombie at the moment and tried to kill humans by bhopping through a vent, not succeeding due to a strong defensive effort by said humans and then had my gameplay disrupted due to a sudden ban after i was respawning. The admin didn't warn me or asked any questions before banning me.

After appealing the ban and explaining that i didn't use a macro or hyperscroll, I thought I could be unbanned and continue my evening session on the server. However, Dhoudz reply an hour later was absolutely weird. As an admin, he seems to not know what a hyperscroll actually is, saying:


"hyperscroll is not a button or a special function of the mouse. It is a paraphrase for spamming the jump button without a break for a longer period.
This is against the rules."


An explanation that's fully faulty, and even more concering a what i think faulty interpretation of the rules, as he is saying that "spamming the jump button without a break for a longer period of time is against the rules", while not accusing me of using a macro and also saying that he is not talking about a hyperscroll mouse function. Basically he said that spamming the jump button without a break, even without cheats or without an unfair helper-tool, is against the server rules. But that's not in the rules (obviously), that say 'no cheats and no macros/hotkeys/scripts'. Yes, if somebody manages to spam jump without a break for multiple seconds, that COULD be a sign of somebody cheating, but it is also doable without cheats by just using your fingers and hand. Which i did, i didn't use any macro and my mouse doesn't have a hyperscroll feature built in so that my mousewheel scrolls freely. Basically banned for a day without any reason.


In my next message i tried to explain the absurdity of the ban then, that neither of the two reasons "hyperscroll/macro" are the case and i even went ahead and explained what a hyperscroll actually, including an image of a google search and its ai response. His reply was even more obscure than the first, saying that me going over my mousewheel with my whole finger is just a "more difficult way to hyperscroll". Comparing a fully legitimate, long finger stroke (that can last like 2 seconds) on the mousewheel, to using a freely spinning mousewheel that can spin for 10+ seconds with a singular flick, a tool thats against the server rules.


I don't understand why i was banned now, since the reason is 'hyperscroll', but his explaination on why he banned me would generally not be understood as hyperscroll by the counter strike bhopping community. So again, i feel like i was just banned for no reason, and my evening session on the server ruined by a false 1 day ban, something i think was a full abuse of power. I'm shocked to see an admin who doesn't know what a hyperscroll is, especially if they issued 5 bans of this kind in the last 2 months (hopefully valid ones). Another admin in another thread explained a hyperscroll exactly how I explain it multiple times: "A normal mouse averages around 3–6, while anything 10+ indicates an unlocked mouse wheel / hyperscroll."

https://forum.elite-hunterz.com/threads/cs-s-all-cs-go-zm-protest-a-punishment-elite-edger.15577/#post-117027


You were in my opinion not only incompetent to ban players for hyperscroll, since you dont even know what it actually is, nor do i think you are competent to actually research and read what a ban appealer is saying, as i explained it more than enough, actually embedding said image in my thread. So again, I was false banned for a day and even when appealing forced to wait it out, ruining my Sunday evening session.

The thread im referencing is the following one, i go into even more detail on how what I am doing is probably not a bannable offense and the full messages and its history is able to be viewed there: https://forum.elite-hunterz.com/threads/cs-s-all-cs-go-zm-protest-a-punishment-elite-edger.15577/#post-117027

If there are any concerns if what i did in the demo was achieved without any form of tool or cheat, let me know and i can add the excerpt of my handshow video here that shows me doing the movement live under supervision, or i could go ahead and film another new video that further shows how it works.

Thanks for reading(?)

Reporting an abuse is a serious matter. Do you hold all the proofs requested for an abuse request? Yes

 

[easy]

Reporting an abuse is a serious matter. Do you hold all the proofs requested for an abuse request? Yes

And where is your proof?

 

[Woozu]

Which ones exactly, screenshots of the quotes of the admin or me not cheating?

 

[easy]

For the abuse of course.

et me explain: Neither banning somebody for using a macro or hyperscroll nor denying an unban request is considered abuse. Read here t see some examples of abuse: Link

To be honest: All I see at the moment is an admin doing his job and a player that isnt taking it well. Just like I saw it a hundred times before this case.

In short: I need a proof for an abuse. If its word against word I will always believe our trusted admins.

 

[Woozu]

I see, give me a bit of time to do that with screenshots etc. for better viewing (even though i would have thought the explanation and reference threads were enough)

 

[Woozu]

Here is a more easy to read message of somewhat the same i wrote above in the initial message (probably a few points less detailed). i have added screenshots of what was said in my unban request for more reference if needed.


Your reply, somewhat, confused me just now as well Easy, i figure you didnt really understand the main points as to what the abuse is. so let me be more clear, in a better structure:

1. the main abuse is dhoudz banning me for a day for "hyperscroll/macro", and that falsely.

2. the second 'abuse', but i would rather call this just 'report of the admin', is that he didn't know the word he banned me for, which is what an hyperscroll is. what i'm reporting here is that he shouldn't be able to ban people if he doesnt even properly know what the reason he banned me for even is (again, the reason on sourcebans is "hyperscroll/macro). I'm not saying that dhoudz isn't fit as admin in general, i think they probably do a lot of good calls whenever someone teamkills, maybe even for hyperscrollers/macro users when they get flagged by the anticheat, but dhoudz not themselves knowing what a hyperscroll is, just imo doesnt make a fit admin for that matter. proof screenshots referencing to this will follow.

3. the third, another 'report of the admin', is imo just how the unban request went, badly imo. i made everything clear in my first message what this was about. i denied both hyperscrolling and macro usage, and then even explained that i do long mousewheel strokes. Then 2. came in that dhoudz didn't know what an hyperscroll is and said something fully wrong. and then when trying to discuss this and backing it up with an online research that it's indeed a mouse feature, they kept denying it without doing research themselves it seems, otherwise they would have agreed to what i had told him. this held on till their last reply, which again i think is just a bad trait to have, especially when i show clear screenshots and all the other sources that explain what a hyperscroll is. also something you still haven't clarified, one of the main points of this whole discussion what an hyperscroll is.


now that i introduced the 3 main points, i will start with 1.:


1.

Now this one is pretty easy (not meaning you though xd), or hard, depending on how much proof of me not having "hyperscrolled/macroed" any jumps in the demo is required for you to be sufficient. I have already said i dont use a macro nor a hyperscroll (my mouse doesnt have the feature), it does look like a hyperscroll because of the continuous spam of jump inputs for a good 2 seconds maybe per jump try. but as i have shown in the video i just attached to the unban request, its just a creative way on how I scroll my mousewheel for such long vents. i scroll my mousewheel with my whole finger so that jumps keep getting through, that way i can bhop 'every single time' i hit the ground and not lose as much speed. i have showed that to Niko a year ago in my live handshow, he also asked to see what im doing again but didnt say anything else, it's a biomechanical skill anybody can do on their mouse as well.
Tell me if that is enough proof, i can do that preeetty much every time, and i could show it privately once more as well. but its not a macro nor a hyperscroll, and i still was banned for 1 day, so a false ban. not really an unfair "rampage abuse" but false bans can not happen like this, and it just came without warning and not too much proof itself, you said so yourself, here in cyan.

and this is the proof video that i dont hyperscroll/macro the jumps.





2.


this is the remark on how dhoudz didnt know themself what a hyperscroll is exactly, i dont think an admin should ban somebody for something they themselves dont know. but furthermore, dhoudz explaining it completely wrongly.

in the screenshot i explain the whole situation and also briefly what a hyperscroll is.

this was dhoudz response. the yellow marked sentence shows how they themselves didnt know exactly what a hyperscroll is, since they deny that its a mouse feature. which in itself is not a problem but as i explained above in 1. i dont think they should be banning for such reasons then if they dont know the term, after all i wasnt even flagged by the anticheat for it.
the blue part shows dhoudz saying something that to me doesnt make sense, since its not against the rules. due to him not knowing what a hyperscroll is, he ended up saying that spamming jump itself for a longer period of time is against the rules. why would spamming jump continuously for a longer period of time be against the rules, if it's done legitimately without hyperscroll or a macro, when you dont use a tool like that its not against the rules after all. this is obviously somewhat of a misconception, since seeing someone do something like that is indeed an indication of somebody using a hyperscroll or macro, but its not the full proof, you can pull that off also without cheats, i do for example. but an admin saying something what i think is faulty since its not against the rules in an unban appeal, is bad. false exlusion from the server is terrible. and with a message like that, saying that spamming jump like that is against the rules even without cheats, is something where as a player you cant even debate anymore, since its an indication of a potential cheater, that is made to a rule that is prohibited, which is just wrongly spoken. and you can see my struggle with that nonsensical message in the reply to dhoudz.

this is how i am completely confused about what dhoudz just told me

and once again, dhoudz doesnt know what a hyperscroll is. a hyperscroll is a mouse feature that lets the mousewheel spin freely, you either enable it and hyperscroll or you disable it and dont hyperscroll. but when my mouse doesnt even have the feature (its i think a roccat burst v2 [pro?], and it only has some dpi button and some side buttons that i dont use), i cant hyperscroll, and there is no "more difficult method" to hyperscroll, im just scrolling my mouse with a long stroke. and this just made the entire unban appeal... impossible, if you are banned for something that you dont use, but the admin doesnt even know exactly what it is themselves.

and well here it is again in his next reply, i forgot to mark the text in cyan, but i dont really think that matters in this screenshot xd...
what i did and do was not hyperscrolling, its an indicator yes but i didnt use anything as said in the proof video in 1.
thats finished 2. onto 3.





3.


number 3 was as introduced above about how dhoudz didnt manage to change his mind on what a hyperscroll is, even after i explained it 4 or 5 times, and even sending online responses and videos, just for dhoudz to not change his thoughts anyway. there is a general understanding about what a hyperscroll is, so hyperscroll for this server probably, and also should mean that you use a mouse feature that lets the mousewheel spin freely, giving an unfair advantage to players who dont have that on their own mouse (i dont have hyperscroll for example). thats whats generally understood as hyperscroll by most css community servers, most css players and even someone in the SourceJump discord who has developer role, who then linked me a video with said free-spin mousewheel feature.

sorry for the size, thats a screenshot from mobile : (




but back to dhoudz and him not changing their mind even after countlessly explaining what a hyperscroll is

this is me explaining by myself what a hyperscroll is again, to dissolve the misunderstanding with dhoudz

(sorry for mobile screenshot again)
in the message ive even sent this screenshot of my browser ai responding to the question, which still led to dhoudz making the "you use a more difficult hyperscroll method" reply at 17:41 time in the screenshot. so not changing their mind anyways.

i (again) try to explain that he is wrong, which happens, i myself also thought i might be wrong and made the research. but turns out my conception of hyperscroll is right, so what i did wasnt hyperscrolling. and i attach a video of how such a mouse with the feature looks like

thats me sending the video. in the end dhoudz did make a imo good reply to my message here (at 20:13) and said that what i did is considered [by the server] to be a hyperscroll. but which doesnt make sense since word definitions should be universal, if all servers call that mouse feature hyperscroll, why would it have a different meaning here. a car is a car, why would a server decide to call cars trains kind-of-situation. but i wanted something more, if thats actually what the server defines as a hyperscroll, so i searched threadposts with hyperscroll mentioned and this one where the admin Sour defines a hyperscroll exactly like its generally known, a freely spinning mousewheel.

the situation in this one is a bit different, since this is an anti cheat flag with suspiciously high jump inputs per jump. but the word sour uses, it "indicates a hyperscroll" is beautifully done, and perfectly viable for my situation with these vent hops. i scroll my mousewheel and do jumps continuously for a second or 2 without a break, but thats also something you can do without a hyperscroll, so maybe there is people who do that and use it, but in my case that just wasnt the case i showed in the video in point 1.

and this shows the 3. point for this abuse thread, not showcasing 'abuse' but reporting what i think is a bad trait that dhoudz didnt make research about what a hyperscroll is when the ban appealer is rightfully saying that thats not what a hyperscroll is.



thats all the proof i have, as i said this is mostly just quoting my unban appeal thread but this is the proof i wanted to submit. i recommend maybe reading through the short introductions to these 3 points again to refresh what these barrages of text actual mean to show and portray, 1. as said being the false ban and abuse, and 2 and 3 reporting lack of knowledge as an admin and imo just a very bad and hard to deal trait i was shown in my appeal.

thanks for reading, the lil book, it took like 2 hours and i had dinner in between and also did other stuff but i hope every passage stayed consistent.

 

[Dhoudz]

Im not ready all that, since you dont seem to have read my last message.

"What you did is considered hyperscrolling and is a banable offense."

So in my opinion, what you did is like hyperscrolling and treated as such.

 

[Woozu]

Im not ready all that, since you dont seem to have read my last message.

I'm not really surprised that you are not reading this, judging from how you apparently didn't read a single message of me telling you what hyperscroll actually is. And you still don't know it apparently, judging from your other 2 sentences in this reply.


For i don't how many times again, hyperscrolling is a mouse feature, and i have not only said this a dozen times, but also linked a dozen sources proving just that. Even another admin said it's that.

But i really like how serious you took my unban appeal and are also taking this abuse report about yourself. A little correction, you probably meant to say "I'm not reading all that", i dont think 'ready' really makes sense here, but who am I to say anything.

 

[Dhoudz]

Mate you read what you want to read and still dont understand.

I no longer say it is hyperscrolling, but considered and treated like such, because it gives you the same advantage.

And congratz you found a typo.

 

[Woozu]

Mate you read what you want to read and still dont understand.

I read the exact words you are writing. And what you are writing to me is that I'm hyperscrolling, multiple times. I could send screenshots of everytime you said that, but I think i'd get an "not reading allat" reply probably. And I'm not even trying to have a prejudiced opinion, i mean i was patient and asked you hundreds of times what you are talking about that it's a hyperscroll but at one point it's just over, even for me.

And no, i do not understand what you are saying, because how could i hyperscroll when my mouse does NOT have a hyperscroll function? And when asking what you even mean all you did was reply with "I'm using hyperscroll".

I no longer say it is hyperscrolling, but considered and treated like such, because it gives you the same advantage.

Oh suddenly I'm not hyperscrolling? Okay, but this is a reply that I can actually understand, and im really not trying to make this a slight bit offensive.
So I'm not hyperscrolling, but you think it's still considered and treated as such, because it gives me the same advantage? Is this just you considering what I do a hyperscroll, or is this the general opinion of the management?
Well, i will go with this and undermine how this is not at all a consistent way of viewing this.

Saying it gives me the same advantage(s) is ridiculous:
For one, everybody can replicate what I'm doing. My mouse has what EVERY SINGLE other mouse has, a normal mousewheel. Not every mouse however, has a hyperscroll feature. In fact the mouse most pro fps players use (even ricky himself at one point), is the 'Logitech G PRO X SUPERLIGHT 2 DEX' and it DOES NOT have a hyperscroll function. Hyperscroll is an advantage, especially because it's not a common feature that every mouse has, that not every player, including me could replicate in any way. There is no 'advantage' i have towards other players hardware-wise.

Second, what I'm doing is not even nearly as advantageous as what a hyperscroll does. I cannot just spin the wheel with one good flick and then do jump inputs for 10 seconds straight and bhop without moving a muscle.
I gotta do a whole hand/arm movement that takes 2 seconds and i'm not allowed to stop for 40 milliseconds, otherwise i messed up a jump. And I cant go over my mouse for 10 seconds like hyperscrollers, 2 at best, and i also cant really move my mouse to aim because thats just not a normal mouse grip to aim with, while hyperscrollers can. And we are basically comparing a little mousewheel flick for hyperscrollers to me having to go over my mousewheel with the whole finger for 2 seconds, this is just not comparable AT ALL imo, so doesnt really give me the same advantage.

Third, this is just a biomechanical skill on how I use my normal mousewheel. A play of my body on how I, in a vent hop situation, most optimally scroll my mousewheel to get said vent hop result. There is nobody dictating people on how to use their peripherals, including their mice with their body.
When i buy a mouse, am i forced to use it with my hands? In fact, there is people who don't possess hands due to tragic accidents or also just unfortunate genetic disorder, and they play with their feet.
Nobody is forcing anybody on how they have to click their mousebuttons. in minecraft pvp or speed-bridging, people dont just press normally with one finger on the mousebutton to attack or place blocks. there is countless methods on how they biomechanically use their fingers, creating methods like 'jitterclicking', 'butterfly-clicking' which is by alternating 2 fingers in the click, and even crazier methods called 'drag-clicking'. I could do these exact same things, but cant, because i genuinely have a skill issue in clicking my mouse button fast and never tried learnig and adjusting to those methods of clicking. But i could do it, if i actually became good.
But we can also take this to counterstrike and bunnyhopping itself. strafing is a major component in bhop that is fully responsible in dictating your speed. a strafe basically is how you have to move your mouse horizontally and press your wasd movement keys in order to gain speed mid air. the optimization in strafing, is alternating your left and right mouse movement perfectly in synchronization with your a/d keypresses to control your direction and gain speed. trying to learn how to place your fingers and actually execute it properly is something that takes practice, but everybody can master it and its a pretty common skill. it's simply, a coordination skill of your fingers on how and when to press your buttons and use your mouse.
And so is scrolling a mousewheel with a longer finger stroke, something anybody can do and quite frankly, takes so much less skill than learning how to strafe in bhop. if doing such a biomechanical movement on a regular mouse, with my finger is not allowed, why is bhopping allowed? or in fact, why is aiming allowed, some people use different mouse grips apparently to optimize their control and aim better, that should not be allowed as well then.
I dont know how you want to dictate players on how they have to use their hands to play the game, or why even, but there actually is something far more 'advantageous' than anything else. if you were to play by the default key binds, your jump would be bound to spacebar and not the mousewheel, and i quite frankly think this is an even more unfair advantage players have. they are not using their hands more optimally to play better (aka have higher skill), but they are just using a completely different button that acts way different than a normal keyboard button like the normal spacebar. this is by far the biggest advantage players have and i think it should be against the rules to have your mousewheel bound to jump, and everybody should bhop with a key similar to the spacebar, just like i was 1.5 years ago. but oh i forgot, when i did that without cheats or anything, i was too good and was banned and not allowed to do it anymore, even though its a button similar to the standard button thats assigned to your jump. so i went to learn scroll and now im here.

and fun fact, i wrote about this exact same thing in my THIRD post in my unban appeal, and yet here i am having to go into full detail and just be baffled on what this has become. while meanwhile you are replying in 3 sentences and dont even interact with any message at all, i dont even know if i can 'lol' this.

And congratz you found a typo.

thank you, third word in your 3 sentence reply btw.

 

[easy]

Hi Woozu,

I have read through your detailed breakdown, but we need to draw a clear line between a disagreement over terminology and actual admin abuse.

As explicitly outlined in our official guidelines ("What is Really Considered Admin Abuse?"), admin abuse occurs when a staff member punishes players for no reason, acts out of personal spite, goes on a groundless ban spree, or uses disruptive server commands for entertainment. Dhoudz issuing a standard 1-day ban for excessive jump inputs and enforcing server balance is an admin doing their job—it does not fall under any definition of power abuse, regardless of whether you agree with the phrasing used.

To address your main points:

- You are still focusing heavily on the literal hardware definition of a free-spinning wheel. As stated before, the server's anti-cheat framework and the admin team care about the input density hitting the server. Generating a continuous stream of maximum jump commands to bypass regular landing physics creates the exact same mechanical advantage, whether it is done via an unlocked wheel or a macro.

- In his recent replies, Dhoudz directly clarified that while it may not strictly be a hardware hyperscroll mouse, what you did is considered and treated like it due to the identical impact on gameplay. This is a matter of consistent rule enforcement, not admin incompetence.

- A 1-day ban for a high-density input flag is a standard, temporary warning. It was not a "false ban applied for the lulz," but a routine action to maintain a level playing field for all players.

There is no evidence of admin abuse present in this case. The ban has already expired, and you are free to play on the servers. However, the rule regarding excessive jump-input density remains active for everyone.

This abuse report is now closed.

See you both on servers.

 

[Woozu]

hey, unlucky timing for your reply that was supposed to be final. however, i made another point just now and i will also now talk about a severe inconsistency in your now more detailed ruling against 'hyperscrollers'. i would like my reply above to be read, but more importantly the reply i will do to the initial unban appeal since the main abuse point is the false ban, that i will prove in that following message, and then we can talk about the other aspects 2 and 3 that come into play on why i made this abuse request.

i would also like to suggest not closing/locking this thread at all until i had my last word/cant bring up new issues regarding this situation.

 

[Woozu]

update after my post in the unban appeal. i think i can make a proper response to your message easy, after my new message on the unban appeal was answered for more clarity on what i think this is.

but this is what i think this situation was: i was not hyperscrolling, nor macro using. hyperscroll doesnt match the description of what i was actually banned for, so i would say that i was banned for a rule that was never written down before and thus unfair. or if this rule-stretch of 'no hyperscroll' doesnt go through on your end, that i was as i said false banned bc i wasnt using hyperscroll/macro.
but as i said above, this doesnt make sense without the context in my other message in the unban appeal.

 

[Nikooo777]

I have reviewed the material posted in this report and the related punishment appeal.

This report is confirmed denied.

The purpose of an abuse report is to determine whether an administrator deliberately misused their authority, for example, by acting out of personal hostility, knowingly punishing someone without a legitimate moderation reason, fabricating evidence, selectively targeting a player, or using administrative powers for personal entertainment.

The evidence presented here does not establish any of those things.

Dhoudz observed gameplay that, in his judgment, resembled prohibited hyperscroll or macro-like input and issued the standard first punishment. It has since been clarified that the term “hyperscroll” was used too broadly and that the technique described by you may have been performed manually with a normal mouse wheel.

However, an imprecise ban reason, a disputed gameplay judgment, or an administrator explaining a rule poorly does not by itself constitute abuse of power. There is no evidence that Dhoudz acted maliciously, knowingly lied about the evidence, targeted you for personal reasons, or issued the punishment for an unrelated or invented offence.

The remaining disagreement is therefore a rules and enforcement-policy issue, not an abuse case.

The abuse allegation itself is not substantiated, and no action against Dhoudz will be taken on that basis.