Denied [CS:S ALL/CS:GO ZM] Protest a punishment: Woozu

[Woozu]

Gamemode [CS:S ALL/CS:GO ZM]

Ingame name Wooju

SteamID STEAM_0:1:7304914

Ban/Gag reason hyperscroll/macro

Desired outcome Lift my punishment

Statement of grounds
Helo, its me.
That was not a macro or hyperscroll. my mouse doesnt have a hyperscroll button. and it wasnt a macro either, i was just trying to bhop through the vent and made very long mousewheel scrolls so that i can bhop through it better. i have also shown that movement in my handshow 1 year ago thanks for unban

 

[Dhoudz]

Hey Woozu,

"hyperscroll" is not a button or a special function of the mouse. It is a paraphrase for spamming the jump button without a break for a longer period.
This is against the rules.

The ban length is a day for the first offense. Ban stays, you are welcome.

 

[Woozu]

I dont understand what you banned me for then. I was banned for 'hyperscroll/macro' but in your reply there is nothing said about me utilizing a tool of any kind. All you are saying is that 'spamming the jump button without a break for a longer period [of time] is against the rules'. So even if i do that without any cheat or something, thats against the rules, spamming jump?

It is a paraphrase for spamming the jump button without a break for a longer period.
This is against the rules

And no, hyperscroll is not a paraphrase for spamming the jump button without a break (not really 'paraphrasing' anything actually). Hyperscroll is generally known as said scrollwheel feature that makes the scrollwheel spin freely. And again my mouse doesnt have that so i dont get the '/hyperscroll' in my ban reason.

I dont use a macro either or any tool at all, so i dont really understand the ban reason, could you clarify that. Thank you

 

[Dhoudz]

You used a more difficult method to hyperscroll. Just because your mousewheel does not have a function to free-spin, doesnt mean you cant hyperscroll.
The result is the same and against the rules.

 

[Woozu]

You used a more difficult method to hyperscroll.

There is no 'more difficult way to hyperscroll'? xd

Just because your mousewheel does not have a function to free-spin, doesnt mean you cant hyperscroll.

Hyperscroll is, as I have said twice already, a mouse feature that lets the mousewheel spin freely. My mouse doesn't have this feature, so I can't hyperscroll. So what I am doing is not hyperscrolling.(?)

You used a more difficult method to hyperscroll. Just because your mousewheel does not have a function to free-spin, doesnt mean you cant hyperscroll.
The result is the same and against the rules.

I dont think it really matters if what I did (or actually have been doing for more than a year now) is difficult? This is not giving me an unfair advantage to other player, like using a macro or cheat, or in this case if I were to actually use a hyperscroll mouse, which makes it unfair to other players who dont have a mouse like that. But that's just not the case, you literally banned me for scrolling my mousewheel to bhop, something that most people that 'try' to bhop on this server do. I go over my mousewheel with my whole finger, anybody else can do that too. You can't ban me for just using a normal mouse differently in a biomechanical-way, that's comparable to banning people for using a different mouse grip, or banning somebody for butterfly-clicking their mousebutton and shooting faster. Or the best example, is just somebody knowing how to strafe in bhop and switching their keys in synchronization, it's not bannable to bhop. To put it in short words, you lowkey banned me for having skill?

The result is the same and against the rules.

As already somewhat said above, what I'm doing is a skillful action I'm doing with my hand, and not AT ALL comparable with actual macro or hyperscroll users. And its obviously not against the rules, there is no rule saying 'you cant scroll your mousewheel to jump' or 'you cant spam jump'. The rules state 'no cheating' and 'no macros/hotkeys/scripts', neither of these things were used.

Personally, i would recommend you to reread them and also research on what a hyperscroll is in the sense of counter strike. chatgpt is a good option or this video im linking here, because i think you should know about that as a long term server admin who just recently banned 5 players for 'hyperscroll' in the last 2 months. Or you could save the time on researching about a hyperscroll and instead carefully read through the now 3 messages of mine that explain what a hyperscroll is (or the image i provided yesterday). Because I don't think anybody wants their gameplay interrupted mid match without any warning and be false banned for a day and ruin someone's evening, or atleast i wouldn't want to ruin someone's evening, wouldn't want to assume any of your personal views.

said video showcasing hyperscroll (of two mouses waow):

forum thread from 2013 about server rules (probably didnt change any rule about cheaters, or the general defintion of what a hyperscroll is):

https://forum.elite-hunterz.com/threads/elite-hunterz-server-forum-rules-must-read.2157/

regardless, have a good day

 

[Dhoudz]

What you did is considered hyperscrolling and is a banable offense.
I recommend you dont do it again.

 

[Woozu]

What you did is considered hyperscrolling and is a banable offense.

who considers that hyperscrolling? again, if you search it up that's generally not considered a hyperscroll and pretty much every other css server would agree. And it seems to not be the defintion of a hyperscroll to every admin here either, since another admin described a hyperscroll like this: "A normal mouse averages around 3–6 [jump inputs per jump], while anything 10+ indicates an UNLOCKED MOUSE WHEEL [synonymous for a freely spinning mousewheel feature] / hyperscroll.", which is what i described and what is generally understood.

https://forum.elite-hunterz.com/threads/cs-s-all-cs-go-zm-protest-a-punishment-elite-edger.15577/#post-117027

I would like to see a 3rd opinion on this that rules out which one is right or wrong since it's two messages of admins that explain something different.

 

[easy]

Here is the explaination for the ban: It's an old rule, it has been always there, ever since I joned the team (which was approximately at the time when you learned crawling). We always handled hyperscroll like we handled a macro. Wether you used hyperscrolling or a macro doesnt matter at all for the punishment.

Here is a third opinion: It looks like hyperscroll to me too. I wished the demo was longer but it is what it is. To me it shows a legid ban reason - and it's a short warning. I recommend to stop using it - and we'll all be fine in the fuure. Your ban has already expried, but be aware that this aint going out well for you if you dont stop using hyperscroll.

 

[Woozu]

Here is a third opinion: It looks like hyperscroll to me too. I wished the demo was longer but it is what it is. To me it shows a legid ban reason - and it's a short warning. I recommend to stop using it - and we'll all be fine in the fuure. Your ban has already expried, but be aware that this aint going out well for you if you dont stop using hyperscroll.

Again, i dont use hyperscroll or a macro. Yes it looks that way, but thats like saying just because you are hitting a flick you are using aimbot, yes with full lock aimbot you would flick like that, but it's also doable without cheats. To do whats seen in the demo I use my entire finger to go over my mousewheel to jump for 2 seconds constantly. Which is exactly why i said this in my initial unban appeal and referenced this handshow i did with niko:

my mouse doesnt have a hyperscroll button. and it wasnt a macro either, i was just trying to bhop through the vent and made very long mousewheel scrolls so that i can bhop through it better. i have also shown that movement in my handshow 1 year ago thanks for unban

We always handled hyperscroll like we handled a macro. Wether you used hyperscrolling or a macro doesnt matter at all for the punishment.

So if i used neither of the two, and i was not cheating or anything and did just what i did in the handshow excerpt below, doing a long stroke with my finger. Is the ban still justified? Hence why i did this unban request, but i couldnt even get to explaining my movement because the admin didnt know what a hyerscroll is.

Here is the explaination for the ban: It's an old rule, it has been always there, ever since I joned the team (which was approximately at the time when you learned crawling).

And dont say such things in an unban request, i dont think telling me im a young player on this servee belongs in this unban appeal AT ALL, and i would like to hear a small apology. I dont want to write this because this is just as off-topic, but that genuinely made me uncomfortable.

Thanks for clarification and looking forward to a reply.